The Collective Podcast Drew and Andrew - Paralells in physical and psychological healing
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[00:00:00] Hello everybody, and welcome to this episode of The Collective. I am joined by one of your co-hosts, Mr. Andrew James, also known as Tactix. I am excited to have this conversation because I'm excited to have conversations with this man. Every time we speak I walk away feeling good. I walk away feeling better, whether we're talking about spiritual health, emotional health, relational health, and physical health, which is his domain.
I'll circle back to give more of an in-depth introduction, but I wanna let you just start talking to people so they could hear your voice. What is it that, you could share something with the people about yourself that they might not know, but something that, will help them to remember you.
What would that [00:01:00] be?
okay. So, uh, well first of, first and foremost, thank you, coach Drew and well welcome everyone to the podcast. Uh, to answer the question, I guess, something that I feel like. Those who know me know this, but for those who don't know me, uh, just a little fun fact. I am a huge avid Batman fan.
you can't really tell from my room right now, but I have a lot of memorabilia of Batman, items, kind of all scattered around my house, most of which have been gifts from other people. And I've been a Batman fan since I was like three years old.
What is it about
Batman? Why do you love him more than any other superhero?
So it, it's changed ever since I transitioned into adulthood when I was a kid, I think it was because , he was the first superhero that I was exposed to and, unfortunately, like my parents separated before I was born. But I, I have very fond memories of [00:02:00] Batman particularly because, that was all
both of my parents ever bought me in terms of toys and I remember having the original Batman 89 with Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson movie. Mm-hmm. On VHS, uh, I had two copies, one at my dad's house and then one at my mother's house.
Mm-hmm.
So anytime I was going back and forth between the house houses, I was always watching that movie.
Uh, probably, probably shouldn't have been watching that kind of movie at that age, considering the, the content. But, They allowed me to watch that movie. but as, as I got older, I had a, an appreciation for Batman, mainly because of, as you know, coach, I grew up being told that I had a learning disability and so I had this chip on my shoulder and struggled with that for a long, a long time.
And then, I had a lot of people putting that particular label on me and it put me in a box mentally where I felt as though I was, I was average and that the ceiling was my [00:03:00] limitation. And then, you know, my fondness towards Batman, realizing that he's part of the Justice League, but he's the only one out of the core seven members that don't have superpowers.
He is exceptional because of, not only his intellect but or his gadgets or his money, which a lot of people make mention to, but it's really his, his fortitude and his willingness to, push beyond those limitations, right? Mm-hmm. He makes himself more than a man and he creates, he adopts this symbol that he represents, and I always found that to be fascinating.
It was kind of like something that I wanted to adopt. It was like, okay, so people are saying I have these limits, so I just have to push beyond those limits and make myself more than this box that I've been put into.
I love it, Love it. Love it, love it.
And as you're describing this character and the story of this character, I see how you've lived that out. [00:04:00] It is amazing to me. I wanted to circle back to, our introduction of you because it's a story of you and I and how we met and how we, like the collective, are better together. So we hosted a men's mental health, let Men Speak event several years ago.
And that's where you and I met
unofficially. Yes.
Right, right. That was the first time our paths crossed, and then it evolved into this relationship where we were serving each other.
Yes,
we were helping each other formally, but let me tell you, Mr. Andrew James here, he is my movement and fitness coach.
I know I'm probably not the poster boy for your practice 'cause I'm trying to lose, , this, this, this belly weight [00:05:00] here. But let me tell you, this man has changed my life. Not only is he a fascial stretch therapist and a registered massage therapist, and maybe we'll come back to the journey of how you've moved and grown yourself, your practice, your business.
But this brother can dance. And he doesn't just dance, he moves. He's a movement specialist and he does and practices and shares and teaches about the art of flow. Animal flow, it's like a cross between breakdancing and yoga,
and what he has helped me do, I'll just get to the point here. One of the issues that I've had over the years that I spoke to my brother about was plantar art fasciitis. And let me tell you, when I started to feel the pain in my feet and I was crippled and couldn't walk, I was grateful for the [00:06:00] orthotics and my life changed when I got the orthotics, but,
I couldn't wear the shoes that I wanted to wear because now I had this limitation. I had to wear these shoes and I thought that was it for the rest of my life that I'd be shelling out $500 a calendar year for new orthotics until I met Mr. Andrew "Tactix" James. Let me tell you, I thought it was a death sentence or a life sentence for my feet.
I don't wear orthotics anymore. I didn't think that was possible. He taught me how to stand properly. He taught me all these exercises that I could do. One of the memorable things that you told me was whenever, I'm feeling pain in a part of my body, I've got to think upstream and or downstream.
Because the problem that I was feeling was symptomatic of other things that were happening in my life or not happening, like the actual use, the proper use of my feet. [00:07:00] So when I'm now spreading out my toes and I'm doing all these exercises, and when I stand sometimes with my knees slightly bent, I'm stretching out my, my calves and my quads, and guess what?
I don't wear orthotics ever. I don't wear them at all. I don't need to anymore. This brother changed my life. I don't, I don't wear orthotics. I don't shell out that money and I don't have the pain. And if the pain resurfaces, guess what? I know how to deal with it. Because of you. So thank you my friend, and I know there are so many other people that you've helped.
That's just one area of pain. I've had pain in my back. I've had , pain in my hips, in my knees, and I go to this man, okay, I go to this man. So you have helped me. You have changed my life. But a lot of the things that you have taught me, they don't just apply to my body, my physical self, they apply to my emotional, my psychological and spiritual [00:08:00] self.
How often do you find that what you do in the physical realm also applies in other realms? Do you find that for yourself?
Oh, absolutely, there is a YouTube channel, it's hosted by a guy who does something very similar . His channel was called Movement Parallels Life.
And I always found that so fascinating because it's absolutely true, , movement and how you move and , how your body responds to life is synonymous with every area , of your life, To put it into perspective , let's say for example, , a trigger point
which which most people are familiar with as like an irritable, hyper irritable spot in your body that creates pain, whether it's through movement or if you're touching it, it causes varying degrees of, of pain and discomfort. So as a massage therapist, what we were taught is when you're working with somebody's trigger point, right? If we're, we're referring to like a pain [00:09:00] scale, zero being no pain at all, and 10 being, uh, the worst pain you could imagine, you wanna stay within, a six or a seven on that pain scale when we're dealing with, clients' trigger points.
Because when we're, we're trying to release those trigger points. If we go beyond a six or a seven, they start to tense up. They tighten and it, it prevents us from getting them that release that they want. And I'm sure given the work that you do, when you're dealing with someone's, like trauma, for example,
we, we maybe don't wanna push them all the way to a 10 right off the bat. We need to peel back the layers, in a very gradual way, , taking our time and unraveling those triggers and those traumas so that they can identify those areas of pain and tension without becoming overwhelmed and a shell of themselves. And so, I just find that to be an interesting parallel in terms of movement treatment and how that shows up in life as well.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. A lot of people [00:10:00] hesitate to enter and engage in any kind of therapeutic relationship, whether it's physical therapy, or emotional relational work because there is a fear that somebody's going to push them too far, too fast, and sometimes the fear that they might not come back. So I, I do borrow from that ideology a little bit as well, because there are all these connections that you can see are starting to build our way into both the trauma, but understanding the trauma because understanding is what will lead to healing. That's what I really believe it. It's almost synonymous. They, they work together because you cannot heal something you don't understand.
Exactly.
And when I come to you because you have a different degree of understanding, you then share that understanding with me, both in terms of comprehension, [00:11:00] but also in terms of empathy, right? You understand technically what you're doing, but you also understand what it feels like , you know, pain, you've had injuries, you've addressed those injuries you've had, struggles you've addressed.
And the same here for me. So one of the things that I like to do and I encourage people to do is the, is the work. You gotta do the work.
You gotta do the work and I know what it is to not always do the work,
right?
Yeah, I don't, I don't always do the work or start doing the work sometimes, and then I don't finish doing the work.
But here's the work. I encourage people to journal. I do, and a lot of people have hangups with, with journaling for one reason or another. You talked about learning disabilities or learning differences. That can be a barrier. Some people don't like their handwriting. Some people don't like the quiet, whatever it is, it's important , even if you don't do it the way that I [00:12:00] do it, it's really important to cultivate three things.
I call it the A. T.I. process. You wanna increase your awareness of what you're feeling and thinking. You wanna increase your ability to tolerate that discomfort. So that you can then be intentional when you experience it again because you will experience it again. And I find there's parallels with what you've taught me and the gifts that you've given me.
I want to be aware, whether it's Downflow or Upflow, what is going on that's contributing but I also want to increase my mobility and flexibility 'cause it helps me to tolerate what I'm feeling. It helps me to be able to do the work and that's where it comes to being intentional. I know what's too far, I know what's too fast.
I know what it is that I'm going to integrate into my life. So I do that physically, but I also do that emotionally. I'm very curious. [00:13:00] What would you say is one of the most common issues that brings men to your office?
I've definitely seen a lot of men with plantar fasciitis.
Mm-hmm. That is, is definitely a thing. what's common across the board is we see a lot of low back pain. Mm-hmm. Individual, we see a lot of shoulder issues just because, A lot of, uh, my clientele tend to be desk workers, so they have a lot of postural dysfunction, , from just their, the way that they hold their posture in their day-to-day job.
So we see a lot of shoulder issues, a lot of postural dysfunctional issues. Hip pain due to excessive amounts of sitting, which is a problem across the board, whether you're a man or woman. we see a lot of that. And so, yeah, those, I would say those are the common, the common ones. So, plantar fasciitis, which again, like you alluded to, is, it, it's, it's [00:14:00] often a case of something going on either upstream or downstream.
And then, uh, lower back shoulder. And postural issues. Those are the main, the main ones that I see on a regular basis.
Mm-hmm. , We talked about some correlation, even parallels between physical and, , psychological healing and, and injury and those kinds of things. But do you see any intersections between the work that you do and how that impacts their mental health?
yeah. I think you've said this to me before, How you do anything is how you do everything. And that's something that's always stuck with me because it, it's, it's very true in the sense of, you're talking about journaling. Right. And I'll, I'll let you in on a little secret for me,
I don't like working out, but I do it. Because I understand the benefits of working out. Mm-hmm. But when I'm in, when I'm in the gym and I'm pushing weight, it's uncomfortable it and rightfully [00:15:00] so. It's supposed to be uncomfortable. I, I have this saying, comfort breeds mediocrity, and you can't grow unless you are stepping outside of your comfort zone.
And so I attribute my strength and my physique to intentionally putting myself in those uncomfortable positions for the sole intention of growing and evolving into a better version of myself. Mm-hmm. Same thing. I'll be honest, I don't like journaling. I don't like sitting there and devoting time to writing my thoughts out or whatever, but I do it
because I understand that mentally and emotionally, I feel a lot better having done so. So I cultivate these disciplinary actions or these habits as a way of, bettering myself and, evolving into a higher version of myself. And for me, it's all about consistency over intensity,
a lot of people think that, you have to do. Go hard in the gym one time, and then you'll get the results if you want, or, like every so [00:16:00] often you go in and you just bang something out really hard and then you're gonna, ascend or evolve into a higher version of yourself and it doesn't work like that.
Right? You have to be consistent. You have to show up. It doesn't have to be daily, but you do have to show up on a regular basis and just keep that consistency going as much as you can. And over time, it's like what Will Smith said about, laying the bricks versus building a wall,
if you set out to build a wall, you, that's not your intention. Your intention is not to build a wall, it's to lay a brick as perfectly as a brick can be laid, and you do that every single day until before long you have a wall. So it's the same approach that you take with everything. That's going back to what I was talking about in terms of movement parallels life,
If you have the discipline to be consistent with your physical practice, then those habits are going to carry over and transfer it into your mental practice. Whether it's meditation and prayer, whether it's journaling, if you can see the, the, [00:17:00] the byproduct and the benefits of
adopting a physical practice and you're seeing the progress being made from just being consistent and being disciplined.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Just apply those same principles into your mental practice. And so that's what I try to get my clients to really understand. . , Your personality and your character and who you become or who you ultimately are is a result of the habits that you adopt and that you practice day to day.
Yeah. I can see the relevance and the truth to it. Uh, I've been journaling for 20 plus years now, so that is a habit that for me is beyond a habit. It's a lifeline. Now, journaling for me is also prayer. It's a form of communion. It's dialogue between me and God. So if I go with a one day or two days without it, I'm a different person.
My head starts to get filled up, I start to get [00:18:00] irritable. So for me now, it, it's changed from something that I, I try to do, quote unquote, have to do to something that I, I love doing, and it's a part of my life. And maybe one day I will feel that way about working out. Maybe I don't, I don't know if I'll ever get there, but working out is one of those things that
it does require that consistency and that discipline. But , interestingly enough, it ties in with this idea that , as men, certain things are supposed to be natural and easy, , I should love it. I should want it, you know, but, it's not like that for me anyways. Some, some guys love it. I don't, maybe I'll get there, but what encouragement would you give to somebody [00:19:00] who it's not a love of theirs? But it is something that is important that would make a distinct difference to them. What would you encourage them to think or do to help themselves?
It's all about asking yourself , what kind of person do you want to be , a year from now or five years from now.
Right. I know it's a generic question to, to ask but, for me, what works for me personally is identifying, and I call it my, like I call my higher self. It's like creating my avatar, my avatar represents the highest version of myself. So what would the highest version of myself be doing?
What would his lifestyle be? What would his daily habits be? How would he wake up? How would he start his morning? How would he end his morning? , What are the things or the attributes that are associated with this person? And for me, I know that regardless of whether I like working out or not, my highest [00:20:00] version of me cares about his health.
It's not so much about the aesthetics. The aesthetics is a byproduct of being relatively strong. My highest version of myself wants to be strong, wants to be healthy, wants to have longevity up until he's like, like, I, I wanna be doing handstands till I'm 80. So once I've identified who I want to be, I work backwards. I reverse engineer. And I'm like, okay, so what do, what habits do I have to instill , in me daily and consistently in order to maintain and live up to this person that I'm trying to become?
Hmm.
And so once I establish that, it's like, okay, well I'm not aiming for perfection.
So there's gonna be days where maybe I don't want to go to the gym and maybe I talk myself out of it, but then I wanna make sure that I don't continuously allow myself to break that chain. For me, it's all about setting those non-negotiable promises to yourself, right?
Mm-hmm.
set those non-negotiables, where regardless of how I feel, I gotta do [00:21:00] some form of movement, even if I don't feel like going to the gym. I have to at least do something at home. There's no excuse. I have a squat rack downstairs in my basement, so there is absolutely no excuse for me not to move. So show up. Even if you show up on half a tank. Or a quarter tank of gas still show up.
And so that way you can at least check that box off. And that is the process that I go through in terms of, making sure that I'm consistent. It's just about identifying what that avatar is and then reverse engineering it, working backwards, and making sure that you show up and you live in accordance to that every single day.
As you talk about, thinking about the future, who you wanna be, how you wanna be, and applying those attributes, whether they're being disciplined or being focused or consistent, , however you wanna look at that. I, I think those are really important traits, but one of the things that you highlighted here that I wanna come back to [00:22:00] is when you reverse engineer something, you start at the end, at the goal and you work your way back to where you are. Quite often we forget it is the small things,
yeah.
That we start, and there are different schools of thought. Some people say, go big or go home. And what I've found in my work with people is when you look at things and you break it down into the smallest of steps, then you realize that's, that's not so hard. As opposed to saying, I have to push out a hundred pushups. You could say, you know what, I can get down, I can drop down and do two.
Yeah.
And then when you drop down and you do the two and you're like, well that wasn't so bad. I could do four. And, and, and you build on that and you build and you build and you build.
'cause quite often we overlook what we can do for fear of what we're not able to do . and I find that happens in our physical lives, in our relational lives as [00:23:00] well. We're afraid to start the process because we're afraid we're not gonna go the distance. Mm-hmm. So, I, in my other podcast , from Failure to Fulfillment, I talk a lot about my failures, but I wanna talk to you about, maybe one of your fears.
Did you have a fear of failure? You talked about the ceiling, you talked about a learning difference, and how did that impact you professionally and how have you addressed it or how have you been addressing it? Talk to us about that.
That's a very great question. I would say. Growing up with this label of having a learning disability or a learning difference as you put it.
I had this chip on my shoulder regarding that learning difference for a very long time. And it, it created all of these limiting beliefs and this false paradigm that was looming over my [00:24:00] head for such a long time that it prevented me, from. Going after certain opportunities that , I disqualified myself from without even knowing if I actually had what it takes to qualify , whether it was a job, whether it was as, as something as,
Simple as going and approaching a girl, likeand like just talking to her. 'cause it's like, I didn't think I was , worthy enough to be in her presence because of this learning difference and, whatnot. And it, it, it showed up in my schooling where, because this label has been slapped on me, what's the point of even trying to apply myself academically if my guidance counselors , and my mom and everyone else are telling me that you're not gonna amount to much, so well, what's the point?
Right?
And that's how I felt. So I went and applied for film school because I mean, I did like film and I liked editing and that was what I did in my pastime. But I chose that path as a cop out because I didn't think I was good enough to do [00:25:00] anything
academically.
Mm-hmm.
no offense to anyone who's in film. I'm not, I'm not implying that people in the film are, are not intelligent, that was just , my own personal gripe with it. And so went into film and then I realized that, that the industry wasn't really what it was all cracked up to be. And , I didn't feel like I fit in but I got a lot out of it.
so I had no regrets in that regard. And then became a personal trainer because again, I didn't think I was gonna qualify for anything beyond that. So it was like, okay, well if I'm, I'm into fitness, I just have to look the part and know how to get people to look the part as well and that should be simple enough too.
But then. it fulfilled me up into a point, and then I, I kept craving more. And then, meeting people like yourself, for example, who, gradually helped me shift my paradigm into, into changing the [00:26:00] narrative of like this, learning disability to a learning difference and rediscovering that, it's not that I'm not intelligent, I just learn
in a different way than what is typically taught in, traditional, in the traditional educational system, ? I'm more of a visual learner, a kinetic learner. I need to see things and I need to play with things in order to really conceptualize a concept. And so when I, when I was going through the process of, applying for massage school, I was terrified and I put it off for so long.
'cause one, I was like, I'm too old to go back to school. And, two, I, don't know if I have the intellect to be able to pick up on all of these, principles , of anatomy and , we had to learn biology, human biology and Yeah.
Yeah.
All this, all this stuff that was not completely foreign to me because we learned, we learned the very general basic, , concepts of human anatomy and movement [00:27:00] in personal training courses.
Mm-hmm. But again,
mm-hmm.
I, I did a weekend course and became a personal trainer within the week. Right. So, mm-hmm. There wasn't a whole lot of extensive education in that regard. And so I did two years of massage school and I was paranoid the entire time. But then, when it came down to, doing my, my exit exam, , for our graduation, I got the highest mark in our practical exam, which I never thought would happen. Like I was blown away by that.
Right.
And when we had to do our, licensing exam, I was nervous because it was like, if you fail, you have to pay for it again. And then you have to wait a certain amount of time before you can take the, the, the course again.
And there's a theory and a practical exam, and I did the practical one first and passed it. I don't know what my mark was, but I passed it. So that's all that mattered.
Right, right.
Then the theory one was really what was concerning for me because it's [00:28:00] not open book, so you have to know everything and you don't know what kind of questions you're going to get, and so I went in and had to wait three weeks to get the results and just remember like praying like to God.
I was just like, Jesus.
Yeah.
And I just remember getting that email and at the top, the subject heading, it was just like, congratulations, that's all I needed to read. I was like,
yes, I remember that.
Yeah. And it was the greatest feeling ever. I still had that chip on my shoulder regarding the learning, difference.
But now I have, stackable evidence of. My intelligence
mm-hmm.
And , my competency , in regards to all of the things that I'm trying to achieve. And so I try to just go back and reflect on those moments and being like, listen, like you got, you got to this point because you worked hard, you became Batman and you made yourself more than just a man, so to speak.
And you went against the grain and you came out, you came [00:29:00] out on top. And you just have to keep doing that process over and over again. Consistency.
Right. It's interesting because you went against the grain of what you were told.
Yeah.
Against the grain of what you thought was true and now you're finding out that there , was and is more to you than you realized.
Yeah.
And I get excited when I hear you tell the story because I remember those days, we met several years ago, so I've watched this growth, this evolution, but it didn't surprise me.
Mm-hmm.
From the first day I met you, I'm like, this dude is brilliant. I, I knew it. I, I could hear it. And when you, when you helped, not just me,
when you help people, you do it in such a thorough way. I've referred many people to you and of the people who have, connected with you, people have come back to me and be like, this guy is amazing. [00:30:00] What you guys don't know is this registered massage therapist, this fascial stretch therapist, this coach of coaches in fitness and health and wellness,
he's never put a hand on me. All of our work has been virtual. Okay. He sent me videos. He's, he's modeled things from me. He gave me information. You are so detailed and so thorough. Best, best service that I have received by far, and it shocks me that you are not fully aware. How valuable, how valuable it is.
And maybe that's why you're as humble as you are. But let me tell you, everybody who's listening, this man is the real deal. He knows what he's talking about. One of the things, and, and we'll wrap up [00:31:00] with this, one of the things that I have taken and been applying to my life and my work, and I wanna encourage everybody else to do it as well, is, , this importance about slowing down, slowing down in order to speed up.
So I have a dance history. Okay. I went to, , a school where I was in the dance program and the academic program. So I, I love dance, so I was drawn to what it is that you, you do. And I wanted to learn how to do it. And I remember you were showing me, encouraged me how to do this particular move. And when I was doing it, I was like, yeah, I got this.
And then you said. Slow it down, Andrew, and when I slowed it down, I fell on my face. I fell on my face because with the speed I was able to move [00:32:00] through the movement without identifying my weak spots.
Mm-hmm.
When I slowed it down, I was able to see where I wasn't as strong and slowing it down helped me to not only be aware of those parts, but strengthen those parts and those muscles.
There's such a parallel for me as I try to move from one event or stage of life to the next. Sometimes I wanna hurry and I wanna rush, and God himself is just like Andrew, be still.
Slow down and then I'm reminded, oh yeah, there's benefits to going slow. Go slow, slow it down. So I've been using that and for people who feel hurried or feel like they're behind in life, I wanna encourage you to know that there is something important for you right where you are.
Hmm. Trying to race [00:33:00] to get somewhere, trying to race to become someone or something robs you of the awareness of who you already are and the value that is in this present moment for you. Whether we're talking about relational pain or physical pain, the way forward is through. It's not out. So I've watched Andrew
Tactix james, here, I've watched him grow and when he talks about doing handstands, he's not talking about doing handstands with the help of a wall. That's not what he's talking about. This brother can do a handstand, go from the ground up. Just just stand on his hands for as long as he wants. Okay? He is a model example of going above and beyond.
But he doesn't always enjoy it. It doesn't always feel good. It is the small slow steps and the small process that he takes and that I am reminded to take and that [00:34:00] we're encouraging you to take to feel out and become the best version of yourself. And here's the good news, as the collective, we are coming together to talk about these processes because we know that we're better together.
It makes no sense that we're all going through similar things, yet we're going through it on our own. There is a wealth of information, of guidance, of support that you can have on this journey. So we wanna encourage you to join us, share with us your experiences, your expertise. At the end of the day, we have what we have so that we can share it with people so that other people can be helped and healed along the way.
So we encourage you to enjoy these podcasts, but also to to journey with us, like share, subscribe, do all the good stuff, share your stories with us. And in the near future, we're going to be doing some [00:35:00] live events, so we hope to see you and meet you in person and hear about your story and your journey, too.
Andrew, thank you so much for joining me for this conversation today, and as usual, I look forward to the next one.
Me as well. , I'm super excited to be a part of the collective and to be among such, amazing talent like yourself and everyone else that's involved in this. I think it's a really great initiative and I think all men can really benefit from this because we all have a wealth of knowledge, individual knowledge from different backgrounds that, regardless of what you're into, you'll find something useful and beneficial to takeaway with you from the knowledge that each and every one of us will share, in the near future.
Yeah. Yeah. Well said. And I don't want to end without, , the takeaway that we were talking about before, because I know a [00:36:00] lot of people come to see you and they can use their benefits and sometimes they wait till their benefits are almost over and all those kinds of things. But beyond that, there's this reality that after
the work, there is some things that you can do to maintain and continue to strengthen yourself, and that's one of the projects you've been working on. So tell people how they can reach you if they want to learn more about you and your services.
So the best way you can reach me is my website, www.flowbody.co. and yeah, it'll have all my information, my contact information, the services that I provide, a little bit about me, and then you can find all my social media links in there as well and then, It also has a booking option. So if you're in any of the areas that I service, then feel free to book either a consult where we'll do like a virtual call and we can talk about, uh, some of the ailments that you're dealing with and I can see, if I can be of any assistance. And if so, then we [00:37:00] will go ahead and book you in for an initial and then take it from there.
Awesome. Awesome. Well, you are a quality professional and you know what you're doing. So I'm looking forward to learning from you and , we'll wrap with that. Thanks again everybody for listening, and we will see you or connect with you in the next conversation.
Bye for now.
